Calendar An icon of a desk calendar. Cancel An icon of a circle with a diagonal line across. Caret An icon of a block arrow pointing to the right. Email An icon of a paper envelope. Facebook An icon of the Facebook "f" mark. Google An icon of the Google "G" mark. Linked In An icon of the Linked In "in" mark. Logout An icon representing logout. Profile An icon that resembles human head and shoulders. Telephone An icon of a traditional telephone receiver. Tick An icon of a tick mark. Is Public An icon of a human eye and eyelashes. Is Not Public An icon of a human eye and eyelashes with a diagonal line through it. Pause Icon A two-lined pause icon for stopping interactions. Quote Mark A opening quote mark. Quote Mark A closing quote mark. Arrow An icon of an arrow. Folder An icon of a paper folder. Breaking An icon of an exclamation mark on a circular background. Camera An icon of a digital camera. Caret An icon of a caret arrow. Clock An icon of a clock face. Close An icon of the an X shape. Close Icon An icon used to represent where to interact to collapse or dismiss a component Comment An icon of a speech bubble. Comments An icon of a speech bubble, denoting user comments. Comments An icon of a speech bubble, denoting user comments. Ellipsis An icon of 3 horizontal dots. Envelope An icon of a paper envelope. Facebook An icon of a facebook f logo. Camera An icon of a digital camera. Home An icon of a house. Instagram An icon of the Instagram logo. LinkedIn An icon of the LinkedIn logo. Magnifying Glass An icon of a magnifying glass. Search Icon A magnifying glass icon that is used to represent the function of searching. Menu An icon of 3 horizontal lines. Hamburger Menu Icon An icon used to represent a collapsed menu. Next An icon of an arrow pointing to the right. Notice An explanation mark centred inside a circle. Previous An icon of an arrow pointing to the left. Rating An icon of a star. Tag An icon of a tag. Twitter An icon of the Twitter logo. Video Camera An icon of a video camera shape. Speech Bubble Icon A icon displaying a speech bubble WhatsApp An icon of the WhatsApp logo. Information An icon of an information logo. Plus A mathematical 'plus' symbol. Duration An icon indicating Time. Success Tick An icon of a green tick. Success Tick Timeout An icon of a greyed out success tick. Loading Spinner An icon of a loading spinner. Facebook Messenger An icon of the facebook messenger app logo. Facebook An icon of a facebook f logo. Facebook Messenger An icon of the Twitter app logo. LinkedIn An icon of the LinkedIn logo. WhatsApp Messenger An icon of the Whatsapp messenger app logo. Email An icon of an mail envelope. Copy link A decentered black square over a white square.

JIM SPENCE: Don’t let Kilmarnock’s misery put you off…..Dundee and Dundee United should aim for Europe

Dundee fans get ready to head for Milan.
Dundee fans get ready to head for Milan.

With all four Scottish clubs having completed their opening jaunts into this season’s European football I wonder when, if ever, we might see Dundee or United play in that arena again.

Kilmarnock fans reeling from their shock qualifying first round exit to Welsh part-timers Connah’s Quay Nomads might be rueful, but European football offers the chance of a wee holiday for players and supporters, to get away from the front door for a while, to experience different sights, and places.

I’ve been on many European club trips. And at Uefa cup matches to Nordsjaelland in Denmark with Queen of the South, and Motherwell to Nancy in France, along with a few St Johnstone excursions, I’ve witnessed the joy of fans, for whom the Euro experience was a unique, rare, and thrilling occasion.

With both Dundee clubs out of the Premiership and preparing themselves for the assault on the Championship title, to hopefully return to the top flight, it might be thought that European football dreams on both sides of Tannadice street are reserved only for wistful thinkers on rainy days.

The ambition of both outfits though should be aimed firmly at competing at a higher level than simple domestic competition.

There are pangs of envy when looking at other Scottish clubs in the European firmament, and while realism and ambition are uneasy bedfellows, they can co-exist for fans at Dens and Tannadice who dare to dream.

Both clubs have had their great European nights, and hoping for their return may well be wishful thinking; but without big dreams the very essence of supporting a team becomes distilled into domestic hard labour, with no escape route from drudgery.

At both city clubs good groundwork appears to be being laid for future developments.

United have an ambitious owner who has already talked about his aim of returning the club to European competition and is well aware of the club’s rich tradition and history there.

At Dens meantime, forward thinking seems to be in evidence with the appointment of Gordon Strachan as technical director, and while Dundee’s European adventures are a dim and distant memory, that shouldn’t cloud the desire of those in charge to look beyond the daily grind, at a future in which qualification for European nights is an earnest pursuit.

Improvement of players is a constant theme from managers and directors alike, but that ongoing quest shouldn’t be limited to simply bettering the team for domestic travails.

There’s a much bigger picture to paint and it should be on a European canvas.

Football is about tribalism and community, but alongside that it has to reach upwards and look to the stars.

Clubs can suffer financial woes, but alongside that there’s an even more debilitating condition: a poverty of vision and ambition.

That kind of poverty settles for second best and acceptance of the status quo. It crushes hope and destroys aspiration.

Both Dundee clubs are concentrated on the immediate target of escaping the second tier of Scottish football, but they must also possess the passion and zeal to raise their heads above the clouds, to aim for European horizons.